Yeah, I think a few times I was first and I usually try to say what episode it's a spoiler for, but it's hard.
If you're up to the fourth season 2 episode ("Belonging"), which I haven't seen yet, you can read everything except Min's post that starts off "They can't cancel it. I bet you're right Cat," or MK's post just above (which are about the fourth season 2 episode).
Cat
14 years ago
Thu Nov 05 2009, 10:11pm
I put off watching the latest episode because of this stupid break... and it was AWESOME! I love how complicated this is, and morality issues. Just some stuff I typed as I was watching:
Oh poor Ciera! Nolan is such a creep! Was it just me or was the acting a bit off in the scenes prior the the theme song?
Aww how sweet is Victor - taking all the colours that make Ciera uncomfortable!!
And Topher working at the Dollhouse seems to be feeling the toll of it all... maybe he isn't so okay with this whole thing really. But then maybe it's Sanders that has drawn out this question about whether he is a 'good' guy or not... and no wonder Topher goes crazy in Epitaph one...
MK you are so right - because he isn't out there and 'involved' I guess it's almost like a kid playing with toys, or maybe a video game? And now he has to deal the consequences of what he does - he sees it, breathes it, lives it - that bit where he is cutting up Nolan was very reminiscent of Dexter - and who else went "oh it's Lundy"!!
So so soooooooo good! At least it wasn't a cliff hanger - still how to fill the void?
Have you guys had a break in Dollhouse too?
Sky have shown the first four episodes in the UK, and then they suddenly announce that it won't be back until January! Not happy!
You're having a break because the US is having a break (Dollhouse s2 isn't actually airing in Aus yet, but of course we're all having a break because the US is having a break :P )
Dollhouse is off the air for the entire month of November in the US (they're doing something called 'Sweeps' ??), but when it comes back in December there will be three weeks of double episodes (so both of Summer Glau's will be one after the other!). Then it'll go back to single episodes until they've aired all 13 episodes. Not sure if Sky'll do the double episodes thing, but I think it's probably a contract thing that the UK doesn't show episodes before the US does. Taking it off for November was quite a late decision, it was made after Sky had already started airing.
I hate the way the US always has breaks part way into a series. Grrr...
I'm currently rewatching the series with a friend who hasn't see it, and I'm picking up on stuff I missed the first time through. Fascinating.
Um... just to be pedantic, the spelling is Sierra - S on the Spelling Alphabet. Sorry.
14 years ago
Mon Nov 16 2009, 09:09am
*sends *dpm* off to watch "Belonging"*
Just watched s2 ep4 "Belonging" and it was AWESOME
TOPHER!! *huggles* and Adele telling him that he had no morals, I so want to know all of bis backstory!
Victor/Sierra were so cute! Loved Victor getting rid of all the black paint.
The Echo storyline was really interesting too, but I just kept wondering where on earth Paul Ballard was. Holiday, perhaps? :P
Poor Priya (Sierra's real person), that guy was insane. I thought she was already a doll at that party, since Victor and Echo were there, but the end of the episode made it clear she wasn't. He's just in with the Rossum heads and they can't find real dates :P And he wanted to make her feel good, so brought in an art critic (Victor).
Off to read what you guys said.
EDIT: I didn't even remember the Topher's birthday drinking beer thing. I thought he was just lying, but now that you say that it does make sense.
I see what you mean about Topher wiping himself, and how that could lead to Epitah One. I thought, in Epitah One, that he'd just gone insane because of how bad what he'd made had turned out and so he'd forced himself to forget he'd done it, but now I can see it coming about as a long line of things that dwell on his conscience. Like Sierra killing Nolan!
Did anyone else think it was like Adelle was alluding to something a bit like that creepy guy who drugged women to be his mum, sister, aunt in that previous episode? When she was telling Topher about him wanting to play with toys, I was so worried he'd done something like that in the past.
I loved the dialogue between Boyd and Echo when he asks her when she learnt to lie. Makes me wonder so much what Boyd and Ballard's motives are, now that they're both keeping her secret. Topher's potentially catching on too.
Thanks for the update.
Tis a shame its been cancelled. I will make the remaining episodes all the more special
Ashling Guildmistress
14 years ago
Ashling Guildmistress
Mage
[act]sigh[/act]
Could you please stop cancelling Fox :( Now I've lost Dollhouse & Terminator.
Meanies.
... and talk about the cliffhanger that they leave us with for the end of this season! AWww, I didn't even realise - but we were left hanging right from the moment we saw Epitaph One!
Hope we get an Epitaph two ~:|
14 years ago
Sun Nov 22 2009, 11:07am
You know I saw activity on this thread and thought - yay! Possible new Dollhouse episode early or something?
Then...
[act]wails[/act] they...they can't! Seriously, why???? Ratings? So, what they'll keep on seventeen different ridiculously inane reality tv shows and cancel the only one that has any level of substance/depth? What's going on with the world!
I have to wonder if Joss will ever work with them again. To think, if only Eliza's contract hadn't been with Fox they could have gone somewhere - ANYWHERE - else and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I do love the idea/possible joke about The River Tam Adventures. That wouldn't fill the void that the loss of Dollhouse is creating but it would help.
I was going to do some work today but now I think I'm just going to go wallow. And find a good Dollhouse avatar in mourning.
Thanks Zier! OMG, that looks so exciting!
I can't believe this is going to be the end of Dollhouse though.
LOL - "Is Whedonesque going to explode after these air: yes."
Double episode tonight! YAY it's back!!!!
Ashling Guildmistress
14 years ago
Ashling Guildmistress
Mage
Just finished Ep05:
And just quickly:
OMG! Omg omgomg!
1. Summer Glau! Wow! (nevermind the fact she tends to play rather similiar characters)
- how does she know Caroline?
- how does she know Topher?
- what is with her arm?
and so many other things but really
2. Kilo was in the ep! And then!!
3. Was it groupie #1? And of course it'd be the Asian that'd be the one to test out Topher's new toy :P
Fantastic ep! But I may be a little bias due to the fact that I was excited to get Dollhouse. Can't wait to watch the 2nd tomorra (yes I'm waiting :P)
Essentially, now that I've had that little bit of a rant:
November/ Millie reappearance: wow! I'm not sure if I liked her reasoning with Paul to make mistakes at the end of the show. I can't work out their endgame. I mean it seems logically that it'd be to bring down the LA dollhouse, but this is Joss Whedon we are talking about and so I'm expecting two things:
1) a completely different angle were not expecting (i.e. the Senator is a doll! Not the wife!)
2) Someone we love is going to die.
I mean it's Joss - really. Though :P we've seen Epitaph so I'm not sure who that is going to be but hey :P
I really don't like the idea of little Bennett with her hands on Topher's tech.
But I love seeing that there are other dollhouses out there!
Looking forward to hearing what you all think!
Oh, wow, how exciting was that double-episode!? LOL MK --
I couldn't help but squee/sms you instantly when Kilo showed up and LOL at it being Maurissa! All we need now is Foxtrot to show up XD
So much to OMG about...Summer Glau (it was like, River Tam, all grown up! Love it). She played the lying villainous mad scientist so well. And OH-MY-GOD, Victor-as-Topher was the best thing I've ever seen XD he got the voice and mannerisms absolutely perfect. PML when real-Topher was trying to taser Bennet. Such a geek XD
Yeah, how does Bennet really know Caroline? We've always seen Caroline as the sort of...caring university activist? The brief glimpse of Caroline/Bennet history we see shows a lab falling to pieces. And Echo/Caroline didn't seem to recognise Bennet at all.
Is it possible that Rossum implanted that memory into Bennet's mind, so that she would hate Echo/Caroline? I just kept asking why why why the whole torture scene, I hope they don't leave us hanging on that! Perhaps it was something to trigger against any of the LA Dolls and Echo just happened to be the first one to stumble upon it.
WOW, did NOT see the Senator as a doll coming! Yay for classic Whedon twists!
And wth is going to happen to Caroline now? Echo seems to be a personality unto herself, who doesn't want to die/be removed once her time is up in the Dollhouse. Which makes me wonder what was going on in Epitaph; they were determined to find 'Caroline', specifically, not Echo.
So brilliant. Cannot believe they're cancelling this wonderful show.
Oh, I hope they don't kill anyone off...but that is the sort of thing they'd do in a finale, hey...
Dreamweaver Ward
14 years ago
Sun Dec 06 2009, 02:50pm
Dreamweaver Ward
Dreamscape Artist
I've just seen both episodes 5 and 6 - to those who haven't seen either, make sure you can see both before you start watching! Cliffhanger ahoy! And I agree with Min - wow - excitement plus!
Wow, Summer's character makes Topher look like he has a heart! A little crazy, a lot broken - definitely a Joss Whedon character. The end of episode 5 really struck me - 'Caroline – you always promised you'd come back to play.' What the hell does that last line mean? Who IS she? Even saying she was Caroline's friend doesn't tell us much. What was happening? Did it really happen the way she thinks it did? I don't think it was real - it clearly struck no chords with Echo, and her behaviour in the flashback seemed off. (Though admittedly it's hard to tell with Eliza Dushku. |:|)
Victor is so awesome as Topher! And of course, Topher is awesome as Topher! They were my favourite part of the episode - made me laugh a lot! XD
Victor-as-Topher: It's me. The him me. I'm giving the word to myself.
Boyd: What's the word?
Victor-as-Topher: It ain't Grease. The him me did it! We did it! We rock!
So excited that it's back! I'm brimming over with excitement! And so many, many questions!! I'm still left wondering!!
Ep5:
omg the twists! Who would have thought that Daniel Perrin is the Doll? I totally didn't see that one coming!!
How funny was it when Echo said: "I think her bad guys aren't as bad as my bad guys!"
Ep6:
Victor as Topher was brilliant! That was hilarious! The actor is SO good! How cute that Topher seems to like Bennett, but talk about her being scary!
So it appears Daniel went back to his Dollhouse... poor Madeline!
So happy! :D
Ashling Guildmistress
14 years ago
Ashling Guildmistress
Mage
I just had a thought:
Why did Caroline come to the Dollhouse in the first place:
To escape her past.
I've always been assuming that it was because her boyfriend died / she couldn't save him. But from Ep 6 - and as hard as it is to think of Caroline as herself being as so selfish as to leave Bennett behind - perhaps she is the reason that Caroline ended up in the dollhouse!
But that still leaves the WHY and HOW is Caroline involved?
RRr.
14 years ago
Sun Dec 06 2009, 05:38pm
SQUEE! Just watched 5 & 6 - they were brilliant!
Yes, yes, yes and yes to everything that already been said!
Enver Gjo-- (and here's where I forget how the rest of his name goes :P) did the perfect Topher! Right from the start I stopped thinking of it as him playing Topher, he just WAS Topher.
And I loved all the Topher/Bennett scenes, I chuckled my way through them all. There were some really awesome lines in these two eps! But poor Summer, and she asked Joss for a 'normal girl' role too XP
And yay at the Mo Tancharoen! I love it when the writers make cameos, it reminds me of when Joss had his little jig solo on Angel :D
I agree that Bennett's memory was not at all like we've seen Caroline before. My first thought was that it was just an imprint. Maybe it was after Caroline had been taken in by the Dollhouse, and she'd been imprinted to make Bennett think she was still Caroline? And the other thing, why is Bennett working for the Dollhouse now if she was once (I assume) trying to bring them down with Caroline?
I must say I'm liking this whole double episode thing :D (even though it does mean the series is going to end sooner :"( )
14 years ago
Sat Dec 12 2009, 09:46pm
OMG! Dollhouse this week has left me
utterly distraught! WTH?! Adele! Topher! Nooo!
It's feeling more and more like we're coming to and ending here. I don't like it :(
Huzzuh @
Kilo's reappearance, though! Many giggles when she showed up.
Ashling Guildmistress
14 years ago
Ashling Guildmistress
Mage
Just finished Episode 7:
8-|
Reeling!
I think the biggest :O for me though is how ruthless Adele is! She sees what needed to be done to gain control and she went for it. My goodness!
Topher - the poor guy, I'm almost hesitant to watch the next episode!
I'm just sitting on edge here! It's brilliant! An insight to human nature, pushing limits to achieve the best.
ZOMG @ Episide 8!!! (yeah, I forgot it was a double-episode this week ~:| )
ALPHA!!!! And Ballard!! I loved that they had Alpha appear before the starting credits - that way he was a surprise.
LOL it's weird how whenever I'm lost for words, all I can do is yell character names. :P
Ohmygosh, Adele is such a complicated character! Just when I think I have her figured out she changes and surprises us again. I was so, so afraid for her when Alpha was with her and she played it so well.
And I loved how Alpha was always one step ahead of everyone, he constantly knew how they'd react before he did anything.
I'm so glad that Topher's in on Echo's talent now - when she blinked and accessed Rebecca's memory - his redundant line was the best line ever! XD
Also does it seem that they are just using the dolls more and more for whatever they need? I don't think we've seen Victor on an engagement in ages. I'm wondering if they're going to take him out of action permanently and imprint him with something they need, like Whisky.
Speaking of Whisky - is she ever coming back?
Mystic Ward
14 years ago
Mystic Ward
Twentyfamilies Gypsy
I really need to sit down and catch up on all these eps. They sound wonderful. Keep the spoilers coming! :P