I'm kinda swinging between Domick doing some heroic and at the same time suicidal move as his redemption (i.e. sacrificing himself) or Kella somehow healing his mind and he learns to live a normal live again... but seeing as how much i like Domick, I so hope it's Kella option and GW, i totally agree they have to get back together!!!!
as for Ariel... three simple words: BURN IN HELL! Kill the devil-spawn! There's no redemption for him and if he better die a painful and bloody death
lol I think that ariel will not die so dont make those predictions!! Its my birthday and i say you cant lol.
I think domick might be suicidal too, thats what i thought all along in ashling
I didn't see Domick as suicidal, although whatever was going on in the Councilcourt had evidently seriously affected him. Then again, this could just be my love of tortured characters coming into play, as I mentioned in the Library. However, I think it is likely he will be able to be healed, possibly by Kella, and I'm sure he will have a vital role to play in The Sneding. There will be tears if he dies, I can assure you of that!
As for Ariel dying, I hope the little [censored] does! That aside, I think if IC wants to tie things up relatively well he will have to die. Otherwise, that's an enormous loose end and the possibility for much more to happen. Lud knows what that little git can get up too. Still, she's not exactly known for neat endings, is she? I suppose we shall have to wait and see.
Domick's not suicidal! He's trying to do what he thinks is right, and finding that he has to make some decisions he doesn't like to get ahead, that's all.
Keeper of the Sherbet Lemons
17 years ago
Keeper of the Sherbet Lemons
Guildmember
Min: *decks everyone in the room out in "SAVE DOMICK" badges without anyone realising it.
Flit: *looks at badge* that's amazing
Min: It's the power of the Domick
*coughcough* Anyway, i don't think Domick is suicidal either. Not yet at least. I think he's got it into his head to redeem himself somehow. Which could possibly mean he's the destroyer, by doing something stupid in his attempt to do something good. Maybe in the councilcourt doing whatever it was that he ended up doing, he heard about the machines and went to go seek them out himself. People didn't invent those machines because they were bad. They invented them because they didn't feel safe. Domick doesn't feel safe, and if he has that kind of power, he might think he could make himself safe.
Anyway, as for Ariel redemption... his character has never been working towards it. In my mind it would be too big of a leap for him to suddenly 'be good'. Ariel is a sociopath. If he suddenly, right at the end, goes "Oh! the Misfit's are right!" that would give him emotions, empathy, and Ariel doesn't have this. I think he's got a type of empathy, yes, but empathy being used by someone who doesn't feel can be a very different type of empaty. Anyway, Ariel isn't Malfoy. His character has never been moved towards redemption, and if it happens, you're going to see a post on it very quickly after i finish the Sneding.i just think it will be a total abandoment of the character.
*flashes "SAVE DOMICK" badge* [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif" alt=";D" border="0"/> awesome.
You're right, it'd be an abandonment of character for Ariel to suddenly be good.
But - do you think the Misfits will kill him?
If it comes down to them or him, perhaps. I see it more likely that if Elspeth is to decide Ariel's fate, she'll wipe his mind (if she can control her killing power) and dump him in a ditch. Let him live out his life paying for what he's done, rather than kill him.
As much as it goes against their nature I really doubt anyone at Obernewtyn could ever forgive him.
Ariel is definately not Malfoy.
*grugs Domick* If Domick's going after the weaponmachines, he's going to be lead by Ariel. Doesn't he hate Ariel as much as the next person? Unless Ariel's somehow overcome one of Obernewtyn's strongest coercers, I don't think Domick's going to be the Destroyer. Unless he's blackmailing him somehow, explaining possibly why he cut off his ties with Obernewtyn at the beginning of TKP...*ponders* we just don't know enough about what happened to him!! Gah!
I think he's still in the Land, somewhere, hiding out. I don't know if he feels like he can be redeemed...I guess it depends what went on in TKP with him. Yet again.
Keeper of the Sherbet Lemons
17 years ago
Keeper of the Sherbet Lemons
Guildmember
Better the devil you know, though. Maybe Domick would weigh up the options, and consider that finding the weaponmachines with Ariel's help, is better than fumbling about and someone else finding it before he does. Domick's confident about his own abilities, he'll think he can control the situation. Maybe it's not a case of Ariel beating a coercer as Ariel duping a coercer.
Maybe Domick doesn't know how powerful Ariel is.... if this is the case at all.
It could be Domick isn't after the weaponmachines at all. Maybe he caught some information on Matthew and went to help?
I think, though, that with Domick it's come down to being unable to face anyone at Obernewtyn again. He's betrayed his morals, his ethics, and the ethics of Ober, and he knows it. To me, Domick is the type who acts. So he'll want to do something, he won't return to Ober for forgiveness until he believes he can be forgiven. So he'll find something to redeem himself with. Be it finding the weaponmachines, finding the slavers, or something else. I don't think he's the destroyer, and i don't think his story is linked closely with the weaponmachines (just i think Matthew and Dragon aren't apart of that story line) and i don't think he's got anything to do with the slavers. So now i'm left with something.
d'oh. she should just publish the book and stop me thinking [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/tongue.gif" alt=":P" border="0"/>
Whoa, I so didn't mean Domick's goin' to go emo and throw himself over the nearest building or whatever I meant that he whould sacrifice himself in a totally heroic move in order to save kella and/or Elf.
ARIEL HAS TO DIE! DIE YOU STUPID HELL-SPAWN BRAT (yes, i've got issues)
Jun 6, 2006, 2:39am[/url], Dark One[/url] wrote:I definitely can't see Elspeth and Ariel getting together. However, there may be a chance for redemption *ducks as rotten fruit is thrown*
We don't know too much about Ariel's background. Yes, he is cruel, spiteful, malicious, etc, but could that be to do with his upbringing? I mean, if he was treated that way when he was young, he won't see it as necessarily bad. Don't get me wrong, i don't like his character, i'm just thinking this through. [/quote]
I agree!
I think there is much, much more to Ariel than meets the eye. He is not just pure evil... because that's just so boring for a character.
What is Ariel's motivation??
Come on, think!
Is it just that's he's an evil manipulative [censored]?
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think he's going to have an attack of conscience.
But if... as I believe is the case... he is a spy for the herders and helping them with their experiments on misfits, perhaps he has developed an abiding hatred for them.
Perhaps he's the key to their undoing... finally turning all the scheming they have forced him to do back onto them.
Coz how do you guys actually think it's all going to end? If the herders/council get overthrown somehow, how's it going to happen?
I think there's a good chance that Ariel plays a very key role in helping it all happen - not coz he's a lovely angel but simply because after all those years of hate he can't cope any more.
So in a sense he will redeem himself in some small way.
There. I said it. <ducks rotten fruit>
I think it all lies in his past, and as any psychologist would probably say when analysing the boy, his Parents. Who were his parents (was it as simple as Vega & Alexi?), and what did/didn't they do to him. Your natures are defined in your early years, and he was like rotten fruit at the age of 10. What went wrong in his past?
Maybe he's related to the Druids. He's definately got the same sort of features as Erin. The Druid even considers him a son, right? Maybe he's Erin's boy, or the Druid's son, or nephew, or something. That might explain his attitude to seemingly hate Misfits, and his presence at Obernewtyn could be explained as him sent to spy on Alexi and Vega's doings.
There's definately something fishy going on there.
Yep, definitely a Freudian reason: the parents. Which leads to the question who are his parents? I always had an idea that maybe Vega and the Druid was his parents; the combination of their physical characteristics seems to fit and maybe Vega ran off after she realised her son was a misfit to protect him from being burned or she left the Druid to pursue the search for the weapons on her own.
And on a side note, did anyone even get the idea that Vega had slight misfit abilites of her own? Her ability to detect Elf's powers seems to hint that and if Vega is Ariel's mother, it explains Ariel's powers: they were passed on.
Yeap, I've got a strong feeling Vega and Ariel have the ability we see in Gavyn; Enthralling. Gavyn's is geared towards beast enthralling, while Vega & Ariel's look to be human enthralling. Coercion, so subtle that no one even with talent knows they're being taken in.
The thing is for me personally, I don't want Ariel to die, nor do I wan't him hurt. I like him, and I think he's got great potential. So what if he's sadistic? He's got his charming looks that lets him play into absolouteley everyone's hands.
I don't want Ariel to be redeemed. Who wan't and evil character turned good? I certainly do not!
I think that he should continue on with his evilness....sadly I think if he and Elspeth confront each other, there is a higher possibility that Elspeth will win, but who cares!
I say go you little sadistic brat! Twist all those Druid minds!
Yeah!
...Yeah, go Ariel, go torture wolves until they become mad, then teach them to hunt down innocent misfits who are trying to escape. You go Ariel! You go on selling entire communities of people into a life of slavery!! Woot!
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What Ariel's done...is unforgivable. He will never be trusted, even if he is forgiven - ever. He may have had reasons for doing what he did, in his own mind, but he will pay for his selfish decisions for the rest of his life. It's as though he doesn't realise the people or beasts he hurts have hearts and minds, and feelings, and lives.
you know what? i find Ariel to be the most intriguing character in the whole Chronicle. i mean, what do we know about him, other than he is a manipulative little hellraiser? what do we know of his past? his history? i don't want to see him redeemed (i believe in karma) but i would like to know more about him. we, as reading audiences, never really get to know what motivates a villian. i have always wanted to know. i hope IC lets us into his head a little more, however unpleasant it may be. perhaps he did not start out evil, perhaps something happened to twist him that way, that we are not aware of? perhaps he will get a case of the guilts in the end, and not do whatever evil action he is planning. perhaps he will attone all his sins....
perhaps not. but i want to know more about him before he dies, and i think he will. what sort of death it will be i can not guess - he may be a sacrifice of some sort. i think it will come down to something like that - he will need to be sacrificed by the misfits to save someone. not sure - just throwing suggestions to the wind here...
as for Domick - he will be redeemed! i have always liked Domick, and he is another character i want IC to spend heaps of time on. we need to know what has made him change so much. i don't think he is suicidal - i think he is deeply wounded and confused and needs help. i don't think Domick even knows about the Weaponmachines does he? that is news to me...
but he will not die. i think he will play a huge role in the end, but not die. he will come close to it, but he will be saved somehow...
OH, there's no question that Domick will be redeemed!!! Kidnapping Rushton is hardly a crime -sorry.
I want Dom to come back too, basically. I'd much rather hear about him than Ariel, though I think we will get a lot of Ariel info in the Sending as well...I mean, we'll have to! It's the last book.
If Ariel sacrifices himself...I just can't see it. It's so out of character. He's been so selfish, all the way through the Chron. If it comes down to him or any other character in the end, it'll be Ariel who's given up to death, though. I hope. Unless of course it's between Ariel and Malik.
I do agree that Ariel's facinating. I want to know more about his past, too...it'll help us work out what's really motivating him.
he won't sacrifice himself, but he will be sacrificed. i just keep going back in my mind to the misfits whole anti-violence pacifistic stance - that is what i mean. it onw't be his choice, it will be theirs (the misfits) - he is seen as the epitome of all evil, so letting him die will be a sacrifice they are morally okay with....
if that makes sense...
I dont think he will get sacreificed. Personally, i think he'll either win, be redeemed, or get away.
oh no he will die by the end, i am certain of it, and always have been (i knew he didn't die in some bloody storm in Ober, before i knew it was a series). he is just too tricksy.
but he will die, or maybe, he will be totally exiled, or taken by slavers, or something befitting him
There's no way Ariel would sacrifice himself for the greater good..or even turn good for that matter! He has some kind of flaw...I think it's just impossible for him to be good. I can't see him redeeming himself :-/
If he's going down, he'll go down all guns blazing :) He can't be exiled because knowing him he'll find some way back to wreak havoc yet again :P But yeah. He's gotta go..as cool a character as he is. Not that I like him really, but those evil characters sure make books interesting ;D
As for Ariel/Elf...lol >_< He's so creepy in their dreamtrail encounters! It's not like an 'i love you' kinda thing, it's like 'I'm your creepy stalker and i'm standing outside your window with a knife!'
...>_> As for HP...I think the weirdest ship is Snape/Hermione. Seriously...wtf?
I've seen weirder. Harry/Whomping Willow, anyone? Of course, that particular pairing was written entirely as a joke, but it's still fairly disturbing.
I think there was a Draco/Ron fic, too.
Regarding Ariel - I can't see him possibly doing anything remotely good. And getting with Elspeth is so far out of the question it's not funny. Elspeth thinks Ariel is insane, and I'm inclined to agree - his motivation is that he likes causing pain. He's sadistic. And right now, he's probably out for revenge after he was kicked out of Obernewtyn.
...That really screams 'dead man', doesn't it? Pity, I always like the evil, manipulative characters. They're awesome. :P
17 years ago
Wed Jan 10 2007, 08:17pm
Harry/Whomping Willow? That's the funniest concept I've heard in ages!
I don't think Ariel is the epitome of all evil. I think he is definitely an intriguing character, mainly because of what some of you guys have noted above - we know nothing about his motivation.
I'm sure his past is quite revealing and perhaps it will change, even if only slightly our opinion of him...
I don't think he'll die for the greater good but I think he may die to help the misfits evade the herders - not because he cares about the misfits but only because he hates the herders. Or something else in a similar vein. Is that redeeming himself? Or just allowing us to feel some small measure of sympathy for the way he turned out?
By the way, Wanderer, this is a great topic for a thread...
Mystic Ward
17 years ago
Mystic Ward
Twentyfamilies Gypsy
I don't think Ariel can be redeemed either...he is just too far gone but he does make the series more enjoyable and the theories too. If he is defective as the rest of the cast presume then he really can't change what or who he is. And while I wouldn't go on a date with him, it would certainly be very interesting to sit down for a conversation, try to get into that evil little mind of his. cheers