The reasons for saying that Tarsin is the shadowman is because he is considered 'a few eggs short of a dozen'. where not saying he is but in some event as seen by both Ember and Glynn he shows more intellegence than he is letting on. The Theory is that out in open Tarsin lets his move think she is holding the rains while Tarsin gives out the hits along the way to the other party. All without people knowing which side he is on
This is going to sound really selfish but I kinda don't want the series to end.
This is because all the illusions about the other world in the legendsong and this world will come to an end. The only way to keep up the illusion (I feel) is for the whole thing to end rather badly for how can we truely dispell all of the caos in this world at all? Even with a concert, I mean Band aid was nice but what has it really achived long term besides getting pink floyd to play together again.
That is one of the reasons I love this series, this illusion that everything can be put right.
On the other hand I would also love to see how Isobelle can bring this all together
:S I really do want to see this series end but......
I do take this issue on face value that Ember is the Unraveller and Glynn is the soulsaver. But I think that Glynn's part to play is probably the biggest in the whole series, who knows maybe all that is needed is one moment of clarity for all to be well, in both worlds (granted ours is fickle and it may only ever be one moment)
So I suppose the question I'm pondering is how can everything be put right in this world so that their world can be saved, for doesn't there need to be balance between order and caos? I mean as nice as it sounds can't order be just as bad? -Nazis.
I suppose this is more of a philosphical ponder, but am I the only one pondering it?
ps- sorry for the crazy post it kind of turned into a rant
I think one of the main points in the books is that Chaos cannot be completely removed from either Keltor or Earth. The point is, in a Pandora's Box kinda way, that freeing the Firstmade will restore hope, and hence Chaos and harmony will *balance*.
The concert is going to be important - I think the clarinet player will be instrumental (pardon the pun) in bringing the Song to the people of Earth.
I know this is a bit random, but couldn't the singing the deathsong refer to her(Glynn's) really deep connection with Ember...I mean she is so caught up in Ember that half of 'her' is dying with her? Sorry if this has been mentioned before? Not just her void inside her, I mean?
18 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:36pm
This thought just came into my head, it probably has no relevance, but i think there must be some connection between Glynn being 'tone deaf' and Keltor being based upon song and all that. I don't have a clue on what the connection is but anyway... ???
Gahltha ~ Watcher of Days
iv been re-reading Darksong and i have picked up a few things that i don't think i picked up last time.
like when Glynn sees for Tarsin in the darkling. she sees the draaka rite, were Solen is the sacrifice and when the Prime is exsposed to be working for the Shadowman, they tell her
"Before you die, look upon the sacrifice and despair, for iss he not your true and ssecret masster?" p473 which kinda tells us that Solen is the Shadowman coz that is who she is working for!
and what do you think about Ember and Bleyd? do you think that they will end up together? i don't know, coz she seems to hate him. which is realy silly coz he hasn't really done anything wrong.
but yeah, i don't know if that has supportend Solen being the Shadowman or not, but i thought that i'd just put it in here anyway.
ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............AND i don't know but could it be possible that Ember is both the unraveller and Shenavyre? coz when Glynn had her vision, Ember was on Iridom at the time. but i think that Glynn has a big part to play, i just can't figure out what! is she the unraveller? or is she something else? what do you guiys think Glynn could be?
Sorry, I'm getting into a habit of reviving old threads *look sheepish* Is that a bad thing?
But, anyway, what do some people have against Solen? I was reading other threads, and heaps of people seem to dislike him *gasp* how can you not like Solen?
So, am I missing some evil/fatalistic flaw in his character? Would someone like to enlighten me? Personally, I like him a LOT better than Rushton.
* throws sock at Rusthon *
There is nothing wrong with Solen!! He is awesome!! Of course Rushton is better than him, but I have nothing against Solen at all.
*gives evil glares to people who don't like Solen*
18 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:37pm
Much as I do not want this to end up as a Rushie vs Solen thread, I have to say I think Solen is much better than Rushie. At least he is not prone to fits of self pity, sulking or being generally brooding and mean. Perhaps someone could diss Solen, then I can argue with them rather than about him and Rushie? :P
*jumps in to be the token solen disser*
at least rushie isn't a deceptive liar!
What do you mean deceptive liar? Fine, Solen was in disguise for the first part of the book but when he could be he was honest. At least he didn't sulk and brood when he fell in love with Glynn. He actually told her, which is something it took Rushton an awfully long time to do.
18 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:39pm
I think Glynn an Solen are sweet :P
And yeah, it always annoyed me that Rushie took so long to get together with Elf and then managed to get himself kidnapped. o_O
I think Solen is perhaps the strongest character IC has created. He seems to give strength to those around him and tries to protect everyone he can. Rushton? *pokes tounge* Runs to the corner nad cowers
Some of the characters in Alyzon Whitestarr are pretty strong, but I agree that Solen is also strong.
You know Ari - that's really cool, because they'd been in Greece right before they were whisked away to Keltor :D it implies some sort of deeper connection specifically to Greece...I wonder what though?
Mystic Guilden
16 years ago
Mystic Guilden
Mage
I thought that too Min, because of the girls holidaying in Greece, i had to post it.
Perhaps that is question for IC her self....
Maybe that was her way of tieing the world of Keltor into the the old mans mythical song...because he was a Greek local and the song had been passed down to him from his father, or grandfather i believe.
*ponders*
lol, [disregard this immediately after you read it...ive had 39+ fevers today] how terrible would it be if it was all just a dream and they were all still in greece....sigh, no, that thought is just too depressing and cliched to even bother going on about it...
but that is a pretty clever way to link the stories together, and how to introduce what could be crucial information into the story in what seems to be an inconspicuous way...because doesnt IC like to do that? introduce the hints at the start so when you finish you can be like OHHHHHHHH why didnt i see that before?
LOL, one of the reasons I love her work so much. Once or twice I've entertained the thought that maybe their trip to Keltor was one big hallucination of Ember's illness or something, but I dismissed it as being too cruel and too cliche (though I suppose if anybody could pull it off it would be IC).
But the relevance of Greece is certainly interesting...remember Ember dreamt of being there and insisted they go, though she didn't know why? The fact that it seemed to call to her might suggest Greece has some significant connection to the portal...but then not all strangers come in there so maybe its location is every-changing/random. Or it's one of several specific places where the portal can open. The fact that the old man's song has been played and kept there for generations also suggests a connection.
(Sorry if I'm spouting off something that's been said before, I haven't reread the previous 10 pages yet.)
Yeah I have wondered about the reasons for the Greek connection too. It's evident in a lot of the names like Acantha, Hella (like Hellenic Republic) etc. I wonder what the significance is? There are other references, like Iridom brings in a latin reference (iridium is the latin name of a particular chemical element, a silvery-white metal), Ramidan is a borrowing from the islamic Ramadan etc, so perhaps the greek connection is not that important - but it does seem quite pervasive. hmmm.
(Also like Firefall I haven't read the previous 10 pages, so this has probably been fleshed out in full before - apologies if this is so.)
Mystic Guilden
16 years ago
Mystic Guilden
Mage
Keltor...a world of strangers...to be saved by two strangers. Works quite well :P
The one thing that stuck with me is the fact that, the statement alludes to the fact that Keltori people were real..so was the place they lived in.
Perhaps it indicates that Keltor is real but in a different sense to the world Glynn and Ember came from.
The book says its like a dream of our world....but does that make it a litteral dream or not?
I have to go and think a bit harder at what i am trying to get at here :P
Mystic Guilden
16 years ago
Mystic Guilden
Mage
Sorry for double posting, but i had to do this quickly before i forgot.
I was going over the signs of the unraveler left by Lanalor. There is a sign that says "marked by visioning yet without darkfall mark"
Immediately I thought Ember because she has had visions, but Glynn has had them too. The refernce to "without darkfall mark" caught my attention. Ember is silverblind in one eye...and thought it isnt by the Darkfall process, it looks to be the mark of darkfall (or half at least). The sign doesnt specify anything about going throuhg the darkfall process...
Glynn has no such silverblindness, so is without darkfall mark unlike Ember.
Which is why i suddenly thought Glynn is the Unraveller.
(Sorry if this has been covered already)