Ariel could not possibly Salamander - he's a white supremicist!!
Seriously though.....I think that if he wasnted to create a huge business he would want people to know it was him who was running it. It's obvious he's not hiding, remember in Ashling when Elf saw him on the slave ship??
It just can't be him, but he's in league with whoever is.
15 years ago
Thu Jul 31 2008, 05:59pm
I think Salamander is....
I dont have any idea, :-? but it cant be Ariel because he has white skin and like someone else said he just stays behind the scenes |:| and if it works he rises 2 the top and if it crumbles he slinks away 2 find another trade/empire/ruler to attach himself 2. But someone else said, and its true, If Ariel works anywhere he lets EVERYBODY know.(excet the misfits)
It cant be Seresh because she is deformed and Salamander is definitely a boy-Or so we think... But Still I dont think Seresh is Salamander. I could be totally wrong but you never know.
check pge 958 in TSK, I could be off base but it would appear that the temple gaurdian has misfit powers that are stronger than the regular misfits. Isis pool (radiation) exposure? might allow Jackoby's sister to be immune to the effects of demon bands? Just a Theory.
Hello all. It's Raychi here.. *DUH*
Havn't been on in a LONG time. My mum urged me last week to come on and post something for her.. GUESS what it was??
"Salamander is Jakoby's twin sister. The clothes found in Ariels house weren't for a woman being kept by either of them - they were for Salamander. Jakoby admitted her sister loved to dress up in their mothers fancy clothes and dance.
Salamander keeps her face hidden to hide the fact that she is a woman, that she has a deformed face and that she is Jakoby's sister." - - - Allira
So i came on to post it, and it looks like Allira posted basically exactly what i was going to say.
So both my mum and I agree that we think it is Jakoby's twin sister that is Salamander.
I don't believe it is Ariel. His voice, and frame would be too recognisable to most people. Especially those in the council and the the Herders. I doubt even he could disguise himself from them, especially if he can't use coercing because of the demon bands. HE IS TOO WELL KNOWN!
I firmly agree that most evidence points to Seresh ... Think about it.. Salamander keeps himself/herself covered , To protect him/herself from prying eyes. What better reason to keep yourself hidden, then being deformed?
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Looking forward to talking to you all again!
im with the ariel = slaamnder, maybe the new book which im yet to read will change my mind but atm im of that opinon, too many things fitting, ie money for herders = profits from slave trade, salamader only being mentioned when the whole druids thngs fell thru for Ariel, he was there att he ship when matthew was taken, yet noone found that inteesting in the book, it was just glossed over, dismissed as him being herder. The changing slamander throy is too convenientand a copout as far as im concerned, all mystic and intrigue wt no resolution toit, bit of a let down if that was the case.
15 years ago
Sat Dec 13 2008, 06:27pm
This is really random.
Ariel and The Gatekeeper cannot possibly be the Salamander coz they dont have choca skin!!!!
I dont like these facts coz I really thought the Gate keeper was Salamander, but...well it is probably Seresh.
And I think we know enough about Seresh to assume it is her.
I dont think Henry Druid is connected as someone said earlier, coz I thought he DIED in the firestorm!!! x_X
As someone else mentioned " GIRLPOWER!!! " . I mean Tardis was a girl pretending to be a boy so maybe Seresh is too.
This is random coz I was against the idea that Seresh=Salamander but all evidence points to her.
Thanks CCK!!!
I'm just rereading TSK at the moment a few new things have occured to me. I still reckon Seresh is Salamander, but my idea of the reltationshop between Salamader and Ariel has changed.
Okay. no one kill me for introducing yet another destroyer theory, but what if Salamander is teamed up with Ariel for this reason? Ariel brings destruction eg is with the destroyer. My main reason for wondering about their relationship is because of what Mika says.
Mika says that his master is very strong, and can see a lot, and that he was told to say his master was Ariel: he didn't say his master actually was Ariel.
I know Mika refers to his master as a 'he' nut so does everyone else about Salamader.
I know I'm not making much sense (midnight madness), but its just a thought: what would a perverted Earth Temple guardian with knowledge of Kasanda's clues be like?
I don't think Salamander could be connected with the destroyer, unless Salamanda knows about the prophecy, therefore he would know about Elspeth. I think he's (or she) just a slave trader and brutal killer (and ruler of LOTRD)
hey guys,
i hust wanted to say that i totally agree with Allira and Raychi that salamander is Jakoby's twin sister
EXTRACT
"Salamander is Jakoby's twin sister. The clothes found in Ariels house weren't for a woman being kept by either of them - they were for Salamander. Jakoby admitted her sister loved to dress up in their mothers fancy clothes and dance.
Salamander keeps her face hidden to hide the fact that she is a woman, that she has a deformed face and that she is Jakoby's sister." - - - Allira
Also i think i read in an interview somewhere wher IC admits that salamander is not Ariel so that atleast solves that mystery XP
Lex
after re-reading the series i wonder:
Could Erin Druid be the 'beautiful lady' and also the one whose room was at ariel's place in TSK ... he would have know her when he was at the camp and we have had no evidence that she didn't survive...
suresh could well be salamander, and the overguardian/kasanda's statement to elspeth of
"...jakoby must be sent after you... and jakoby had some part to play in your future that was vital and important"
it was on the walk up to the temple that jakoby revealed she had a sister, if she hadnt walked elspeth up she woulnd't have ever found out about suresh.. makes u think suresh is goin to pop uup in the sending -- when they all go to TLOTRQ?
anybody think similar?
But doesn't it say the beautiful dark-haired lady? I didtinctly remember Erin being blonde.. But apart from that, I think it is very possible.
no, Erin was dark-haired. Gilaine was the blonde one, but i don't really think it would've been Erin. she seemed to bitchy and impulsive to be the destroyer
Dreamweaver Ward
15 years ago
Dreamweaver Ward
Dreamscape Artist
Actually, they're both more or less blonde - here's a quote: "Where Erin's hair was spun gold and elaborately dressed, Gilaine wore her long, ashen tresses loose about her shoulders." (99 TF).) That said, it could still be Erin, because she may be disguising her appearance in case anyone would recognise her - especially if she is connected to Ariel and/or Salamander...
And I agree that Suresh does seem to be important, whether she's Salamander or connected with events in some other way... I guess we'll see. :) I wouldn't be surprised if she's tied to the slave trade in some way - ooh, maybe she's trying to bring it down from the inside? (I really must reread TSK to see if that's even remotely plausible. :P)
Ashling Guildmistress
15 years ago
Ashling Guildmistress
Mage
Awww, so we're not going with the cross dressing Ariel idea?
Dreamweaver Ward
15 years ago
Wed Feb 18 2009, 08:32am
Dreamweaver Ward
Dreamscape Artist
Well, we don't know what he does when she's not there. :P
I really like the idea of the Druid as the main Salamander. I somehow missed that theory earlier, but I think it makes a lot of sense, despite what we saw in TSK (after all, IC is tricksy - which is of course a good thing!). And I definitely agree with the idea that Salamander could be a role played by multiple people, but with one of them actually controlling the operation. After all, why would one person need all that coin?
Makes you wonder about the Shadowman, as well... Not that this is the place for Legendsong theories. :P
I'm not sure I agree wuth Druid = Salamander idea.
Salamander seems to have popped up a year or two before Elf stumbled on the Druid's camp. And I wonder where he got the seafaring skills from? And the Gadfian ship?
I guess it is possible for the Druid to have come across Gadfians (if he travelled across the blacklands many years ago). He could have come across some books describing gadfians and tried to find them. But why would he let practically all of his supporters get sold off? Including his own daughter? I mean sure he didn't like Gilaine for her muteness because of imperfections; but I don't think he'd let Ariel simply destroy his camp just like that.
(i can't remember if he also hated gypsies) But if he did hate Gypsies because of white supremacy or something; why would he deal with Gadfians (who are also coloured?)
I know it'svery lucrative and money making; but I'm not so sure that Henry suddenly ditched the Land for sea in a drastic move. I'm also uncertain why he would have let Gilbert, his trusted soldier's family get kidnapped? Wouldn't Gilbert have been privy to these plans?
If the Druid had wanted any sort of revenge; it would have been against the Herders or Council (I can't remember which now) because he was kicked out. In this respect, the slave trade isn't as direct in it's vengeance as the rebellion. So why would he be a slaver?
I like to think of Salamander as one person. From New Gadfia. All that money would eventually be brought back to New Gadfia. Given that Isobelle is already exposing us to the many different cultures, why not include the New Gadfians as well? They've been a constant underlying simmering threat that no one has really paid much attention to. And there's bound to be a Salamander showdown in The Sending. :P
Why does salamander have to be someone we know? For a while, Malik was the all evil one, but his demise was rather quick - as if he were just a pawn for someone else. Perhaps salamander is someone else entirely - but with links to Ariel (because for a young man, he has some very good connections...)
Yeah, I'm not being vague at all ...
I think it's more that we want it to be someone we know :P simply because their identity has been hidden for so long, we want it to be a big revelation that "so-and-so was Salamander ALL THIS TIME".
Mono - there's so many reasons it could be the Druid, too, though. If you look at the first descriptions of Salamander, they talk of a ship that spat fire. This is a hint that whoever Salamander is, he/she/they have weaponmachines and know how to use them. There's talk at the beginning of the Farseekers about the Druid's people hunting down weaponmachines as well. We don't know of anyone else in the Land that would have this technology. Anyway, am going over pretty much what I said in the theory :P
In response to your points though;
Why would the Druid sell of his own daughter? Why wouldn't he. He didn't seem to care at all for Gilaine in Farseekers. Only Erin - and she hasn't been "seen" since she was locked in a crate in Farseekers.
As for trading with people he doesn't think deserve his time (including the Herders, who ditched him to start with) - what better way of getting revenge on people or an organisation, than to take money from them, without them knowing it was *you* who did it? By having them dependent on your business? And we know the Herders and Council DO depend on the slave trade, and deal with Salamander.
Ditching Gilbert / the encampment - he trusted Ariel. Ariel somehow knew of the Firestorm (or, perhaps they created it). Didn't we find out that Ariel told the Druid they had to leave or get trapped in the Firestorm? And practically, when you can't look after an encampment of people, and you're a maniac who thinks he owns people - you get rid of them.
Yeah, either way, I can't wait to see the Salamander Showdown in TS!
Say if Salamander was New Gadfian, what's there to stop him or other New Gadfians from finding weaponmachines?
Ariel's bunker was just one place that stored weapons. The inaccessible levels at the beforetime library is possibly another place. Perhaps Silent Vale is another place. Clearly there's a myriad of places where weapon,achines have been scattered in he land itself. So what's to say other parts of the world also don't have such access to machines?
Salamander could have got these machines and installed them in his ship. I think there are many humans searching for machines; so we can't really point to the Druid and say it is him. Ariel; Elspeth; Vega; Alexi; Druid; Marisa --there are so many people who want to find them. And this is a relatively small sample size of the population. Think of how many others in the world who exist who have some inkling that such weapons still do exist and have gone searching for them?
I'm still not convinced Druid = salamander ;P
Yes I agree - there are many people who could have been looking for them - but it all just seemed so coincidental.
In Farseekers:
- The Druid's men and the teknoguilders altercation over a store of hidden weapons (resulting in a number of deaths in an explosion).
- The Druid pouring over maps still in search, when Elspeth is brought to him.
- The Ariel-predicted firestorm that clears the encampment (conveniently)
- Ariel delivering the majority of the encampment to slavers
In Ashling:
- We hear about Salamander, who is fanatical about hiding his face (as is the Druid, for different reasons)
- We hear Salamander has a beautiful assistant who does the talking for him (Erin Druid, who he loved enough to not give to the slaves)
- Salamander's taken down the whole slave trade, by attacking ships with his own, that 'spits fire'. This is tying in to the hunt for weaponmachines in Farseekers.
- Ariel appearing on the ship at the end of Ashling (Ariel still in cahoots with the Druid)
ETC. I know what you're saying is plausible too, but I'm having fun making all these connections :P Isobelle hardly ever writes anything that isn't for a reason.
Just on Erin Druid surviving the firestorm, isn't there something Daffyd says in Ashling about Ariel taking all of the young/elderly/sick and women from the Druid camp, leaving the men to defend against the 'attackers' he had warned of? So Erin would have at least been safe from the firestorm.
Salamander hiding their face - if it were erin, that would make sense - she was very vain, and she might have been injured in the firestorm ...
But would Erin want to work with Ariel??
She seems shallow enough to. I mean he's got money, power and the looks. And he has her dad's favour.