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  Hi all - I'm currently seeking some people with time to update a section of the site - the formerly 'Who is IC?' section, now named IC Bibliography.
  
  In the previous version of the site and plugin we used to manage this, we didn't have quite so many options. The upgrade has revealed just how much more extensive the section can be.
  
  So we need help in updating a few extended sections.
  
  1/ Editions. Each current Book has a number of covers. I've added an 'edition' to Little Fur (book 1), to see how it'll view.
  We need to list which year/s these editions were published in. If you check the Little Fur version, each edition has it's own page. This needs to be written - be it a sentence or a paragraph - of who it was published by, and any significant differences. eg:
  "This edition of Obernewtyn was published by Penguin in 2007. It was the first edition to feature a photograph of Elspeth, as opposed to all other editions which featured stylised / artistic renditions of the protagonist. The US Random House edition also uses this cover, and was extensively edited prior to being released [list]".
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  "This is the Point SF version of Scatterlings, published only in the UK in 2004" (or whenever it was). Yes it can be as short as that.
  
  2/ Series. Each book is grouped into it's relevant series now. A number of non-series groupings have been added - Children's books, standalone books, part of an anthology, etc. But that means each series page needs;
  a) a single image of all the book covers in that section. This needs to use the existing book covers (whatever editions you think are appropriate), with 10 pixels padding between each (be precise here please). Make sure they're all the same height (130px). No background colour - save as transparent, 24-bit png. If it goes beyond 600px width, wrap to the next line (10 px padding between images vertically as well).
  b) a blurb. This needs to be a summary of The Obernewtyn Chronicles, a summary of Legendsong, etc. This includes the 'series'/sections such as Children's books and Standalone books.
  
  I've also only very quickly categorised the books that aren't part of a series - I was torn on whether to add Greylands to children's books, etc. Am open to moving books around if they don't suit the series/section they're in.
  
  There's no points going for this but it's basically being put out there for the people who offered to help with the post-hack site upgrade.
  
  Anything you do, please post in this thread, so nobody else does it. And thank you :) this all helps in getting the site back up and functioning properly again.
   
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  I'll be very happy to help with any of these things. I actually have some of this information already, including the cover images and Photoshop, so I'll be happy to do the series images. Only downside is I won't be able to do it for a week or so. If anyone else wants to do it first, feel free. ;)
  
  I really like the rearrangement of the booklist, and I think the changes are great! Definitely makes it clearer and easier to follow. I also really like your ideas listed above.
  
  Just one suggestion for starters: maybe you could change the Book/Series text to read Category/Series? It might work better with how the information is laid out. :)
   
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  I'd like to help but I look at the inside of the books and get confused :S . Is there any easy way to go about getting the information required? Like I open up my copy of The Gathering and it starts off with Puffin on the first line (no address info) but then goes to Penguin Australia Ltd (with Address), Penguin Ltd. (for England), Viking Penguin (for USA), etc, and at the end says first published in 1993 ... but I'm pretty certain mine is a 1994 soft cover edition which isn't stated anywhere but I gather that from googling the ISBN. And from some of the searches I found the USA version was first published by Dial in 93 or 94.
  
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  I could try and do a few Min, for option 1.
  
  Is this the sort of thing you're after?
  
  "This edition of Scatterlings was published by Puffin in 1992." (this is the one with Isobelle Carmody down the side of the cover).
  
  "This edition of Billy Thunder and The Night Gate was published by Puffin in 2000."
  
  "This edition of The Gathering was published in 1993 by Puffin."
   
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  That sounds good, Arwen. :) And if you or anyone else finds anything else relevant to each edition, we could maybe add it as we go? (Or would it be too time-consuming to do it that way? Maybe we're better to make sure we have all the relevant info before it's added to the page?)
  
  Agyllian - a really useful resource is fantasticfiction.co.uk. I used it when I was working on the booklist. If you scroll down, you'll see they list the different editions with the publication information and the cover. The IC section's pretty thorough. ~Link~
  
  I just realised I didn't say this, but I'd be happy to help with the editions and edition write-ups as well, if it's still needed when I can find enough time. (Should be soon though!) Actually, you know, I'm going to try to get a bunch of stuff done this weekend. *crosses fingers*
   
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  I can help with the book/series summaries. I'd be able to do Obernewtyn, Legendsong, Greylands and Alyzon Whitestarr. I've also requested Scatterlings and The Gathering from the library so I'd be able to start them within a week if no one else wants to (I don't feel confident writing a blurb without something to refer to). I'd tried to get a copy of "This Way Out" while I was at it, but they don't have it :(
  
   
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  Thanks guys. Arwen that's the main part of what we need, so everyone that's about as tricky as it has to get, if you're wanting to help. Maybe we can add a list to the top thread with info added, or info required. If people come across any additional info we can add as we go I suppose (otherwise I'm thinking we'll never get some of those sections updated, as we'll always be waiting on more information).
  
  I can do some of the obscure ones too, I have a load of different editions - but want to leave it to you guys first as you all said you wanted to help (here and in the Help board / restored thread) and I can spend my time coding instead that way.
  
  Who wants to write the list up of what's still required?
   
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  Is this the kind of thing you want for the series pictures?
  
  
  
   
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  I'm just going to have a go at getting some of the Little Fur books organised. I'll do the covers and the writeup, since it makes sense to do them all together.
  
  EDIT: Okay, I've done COVER IMAGES for:
  Little Fur (series)
  Legendsong (series)
  Billy Thunder (series)
  Greylands
  The Gathering
  Alyzon Whitestarr
  Dreaming Again
  
  After I've finished this I'll go through and double check what still needs to be done, and write a list. :)
  
  Ooh, I just had a thought! I'm no longer using the links to the cover images hosted on my photobucket, so here's a link to an album with all the covers. ~Link~ (Well, nearly all - I think I'm a little behind on the Random House Little Fur paperbacks, but I'll check them as I do this. :))
  
  

  Maybe we can add a list to the top thread with info added, or info required. If people come across any additional info we can add as we go I suppose (otherwise I'm thinking we'll never get some of those sections updated, as we'll always be waiting on more information).

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  Sounds like a plan. :)
   
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  Yeap IE - but just make each book cover 80px wide so they're even (doesn't matter if they're a little more or less in the stock image, just crop or extend it to suit (adding 1 pixel here and there to the size if necessary won't visably distort the image).
  
  Zier - when you said you've done the cover images for those series - did you mean the grouped set of covers for Category/series and if yes, where is it stored/can I get to it? Or did you mean the individual covers in photobucket? My mind's all over the place at the moment so I'm having trouble computing anything that isn't laid right out in front of me :P
  I think we have all of the covers in the individual book page sections, we just need them compiled into images for the Series (or top category) area.
   
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  I'm sorry, I was having trouble finding covers for A Riddle of Green, so I didn't have them ready to go. I meant the grouped sets of covers. :)
  
  Here's Little Fur. It was the hardest - I wasn't sure if I should go at close as I could to 600 pixels wide, or split the covers over both lines. This seemed to work the best, as it looked weird having a big gap on the second line. Is this okay?
  
  
  
  The covers are all in here: ~Link~
  
  I'm working on a list now of covers that are done, to make it clearer what still needs doing. :)
  
   
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  Yeap IE - but just make each book cover 80px wide so they're even (doesn't matter if they're a little more or less in the stock image, just crop or extend it to suit (adding 1 pixel here and there to the size if necessary won't visably distort the image).
  

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  ^ That should be right. Did you finish all of the groups Zier, or is there still more to do?
   
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  I haven't done any of the Ober books, EI.
  
  EDIT: Oh shoot, I just realised I did the group images wrong. (Paying attention, me? Apparently not.) I guess they might work for in each book's page, if any covers were missing. :(
  
  Either way, I'll fix them now. :)
  
  
  I'm currently working on the Editions for the books marked in red. If anyone else is working on something, let me know, and I'll update the list. :) (I'll almost certainly do more down the track, including the Little Fur books, unless someone else wants to. :P)
  
  The Obernewtyn Chronicles
  Obernewtyn
  The Farseekers
  Ashling
  The Keeping Place
  Wavesong*
  The Stone Key
  The Sending
  The Red Queen
  
  Legendsong
  Darkfall
  Darksong
  Darkbane
  
  The Gateway Trilogy
  Billy Thunder & the Night Gate
  The Winter Door
  The Firecat's Dream
  
  The Legend of Little Fur
  Little Fur: The Legend of Little Fur
  A Fox Called Sorrow
  A Mystery of Wolves
  A Riddle of Green
  
  Standalone Books
  Scatterlings
  The Gathering
  Greylands
  This Way Out
  Alyzon Whitestarr
  
  Graphic Novels
  Dreamwalker
  Wildheart
  
  Standalone Children's Books
  The Wrong Thing
  Journey From the Centre of the Earth
  Night School
  
  Short Stories
  Green Monkey Dreams
  
  The Kingdom of the Lost
  The Red Wind
  The Cloud Road
  The Velvet City
  
  Part of an anthology
  Moth's Tale: Tales from the Tower (Vol 1: The Wilful Eye)
  A Splinter of Darkness (Dark House)
  The Man Who Lost His Shadow (Dreaming Down Under)
  Guinevere, or The Sleeping Beauty (Road to Camelot)
  The Dove Game (Gathering the Bones)
  Santorini (Kids Night In 2)
  Perchance to Dream (Dreaming Again)
  The Dark Road (Legends of Australian Fantasy)
  
  Part of a multi-author series
  The Red Shoes
  The Landlord
  Angel Fever
  The Cat Dreamer
   
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  *dpm* Okay, I think I might have actually done them right this time. [act]crosses fingers[/act] (I can redo the others in the right format if you want any of them, Min? And add/change what's included...)
  
  I've done group covers as follows. (I've tentatively changed a couple of groupings, because the books didn't seem to be in the most suitable category. I can redo them if you like, though...)
  
  EDIT: They're all in this folder - ~Link~
  
  LEGENDSONG COVERS
  
  
  BILLY THUNDER (GATEWAY)
  
  
  LITTLE FUR (I couldn't find a complete set here, aside from the Australian fuzzy ones, which are hard to see clearly. Not sure which is better.)
  
  
  (fuzzy covers)
  
  
  STANDALONE BOOKS
  
  
  PICTURE BOOKS
  Wildheart is more a picture book than a graphic novel, so I think it would be best if we move it. Would that be okay? Also, I wasn't sure if we should have a separate cover for Magic Night, since the names are so different, and the text has been changed?
  
  
  PART OF AN ANTHOLOGY
  
  
  PART OF A MULTI-AUTHOR SERIES (I think we should add this category, as these books are short novels that are part of a greater series with books by other authors (Quentaris, After Dark))
  
  
  I didn't do sets for Graphic Novels, The Kingdom of the Lost, because there was only one book cover in each...
   
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  I will attempt to come up with Obernewtyn Editions, but since there are lots of obscure ones I'll probably miss a few.
   
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  I think what you did for the Oberchrons was perfectly correct, EI. We didn't need to include the different editions, I just got confused. |:|
   
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  I meant matching the covers to the years/publishers, sorry, my bad. It was a very very bad idea to start with, just look at my ramblings :/
  
  ~Link~ : Random House Books for Young Readers, December 2008. (USA)
  ~Link~ : Perfection Learning, February 2003 (USA)
  ~Link~ : Turtleback, July 2000, USA
  ~Link~ : Tor Books, September 1999, USA
  ~Link~ : Bloomsbury Publishing PLC, June 2010, UK
  ~Link~ : Random House Books for Young Readers, December 2008, USA
  ~Link~ : Starscape, February 2003, USA
  ~Link~ : Tor Books, July 2000, USA
  ~Link~ : Puffin, June 1999, UK
  ~Link~ : Scholastic Point, 1994, USA
  ~Link~ : Penguin Books Australia, June 1993, UK (???)
  (Fantastic Fiction ^)
  Puffin Books, 1987, Aus
  Penguin, 1993, Aus
  Penguin, 2007, Aus
  Puffin Books, 1994, Aus
  Random House, 2008, 1987, USA
  Tor Books, 1999, USA
  Penguin, 2010, Aus
  Scholastic, 1994, 1987, UK
  Recordings:
  Royal Blind Society, 1989, Aus
  Louis Braille Productions, 1988, Aus
  North Rocks Blind School, 1991, Aus
  (found on ~Link~ ^, no covers available)
  
  Goodreads:
  ~Link~ : Starscape, 2003, Aus
  ~Link~ : Random House Books for Young Readers, 2008, USA
  ^ also, Penguin Books Australia Ltd, 1993, Aus
  Random House Children's Books, 2008, USA
  Bloomsbury Publishing,2010
  ~Link~ : Tor Fantasy, 2000, USA
  ~Link~ : Bertrand Editora, 2008, ??
  ~Link~ : Tor Books, 1999, USA
  ~Link~ : Puffin, 1994
  ~Link~ : scholastic point, 1994
  ~Link~ : perfection learning 2003
  
  On the plus side I found this pretty cover:
  
  
  Which, according to Google translate, is Portugese... (And the little sentence under the title is 'the lady of thought'...)
  
  And the sequel:
  
  
  'Elspeth - Liberators of Thought'
   
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  Those really are very pretty covers EI!
  
  I have a copy of the anthology "Families" if you need a photo of it. I noticed it was missing from Ziera's post.
  
  
   
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  Thanks Ness. :) Is that the anthology with The Monster Game in it? If so, it's one of the books included on the Green Monkey Dreams page, so I'm not sure if we need a cover or not. I'll let Min confirm. :)
  
  I'm really sorry I haven't done more on this, I just haven't had a chance, what with uni work and having gotten sick recently. I'm hoping I'll manage to find some time to do some soon!
  
  

  I meant matching the covers to the years/publishers, sorry, my bad.

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  No, that makes sense, I'm sorry I misunderstood. [act]hugs[/act] And I agree it is hard finding information about old covers - if I can find any of the old covers you're missing, I'll add them to your post. :)
   
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  WOW, I love those Portugese covers!
  
  Thanks for all this work guys; I'll add them when I get some outside the Mystics Ball etc...
   
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  12 years ago

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  I've made a couple of the updates and added a few sample editions (to Obernewtyn: ~Link~ ) and I'm adding Zier as a collaborator of this section (since she's the keeper of the awesome booklist thread, and we discussed it at Melbourne Supanova).