15 years ago
Tue Mar 17 2009, 03:57pm
Hey all. just a thought here, there is a mention in the stone key of a woman appearing with The Raider in the beginning that was masked, i think it might be Jakoby's sister and it would explain the clothes and lavish things in that room. Also she might be a futureteller, as all kasandas are which would explain the cat pin with one eye that elspeth found. Is just a thought...what do you all think?
EDIT: I think it was daffyd who mentioned it,seems to fit too well in my mind is all
Hi Courtney. Are you saying that you think Salamander is Jakoby's twin sister? If you are then you agree with my first post (and the reason I started this thread) :)
yeah i think that is the obvious conclusion. then again IC is tricky. hmm i really want to think its jakobys sister but books in series always have me freaking out.
I just honestly think Jakoby's sister (or in reality, just mentions of her!) has turned up too late, to have her end up being a major character that took away our dear Matthew. We don't know enough about her, anyway. Maybe we'll learn more in TS. Who wants to puts bets on the ship Elspeth + co travel over on has an altercation with Salamander's?
And the clothing; we've narrowed down the wearer (to Ariel XD ).
Dreamweaver Ward
15 years ago
Thu Mar 19 2009, 06:25pm
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Dreamscape Artist
I'm not sure if Elf with be on the ship with the others, but other than that, I agree. I really like the idea of them having a run-in with Salamander - it makes sense, although it may not happen until they reach the Spit...
I think if Jakoby's sister IS Salamander, it's only if Salamander is more than one person, and she is one of them (to share out the responsibility and the money). Jakoby has been in the books since Ashling, so surely if her sister was that important, we would have heard about her earlier? :-/ (Plus I agree with Miky that it just seems too obvious, whereas IC is normally more subtle than that...)
And on the subject of the clothing, I was wondering if Ariel left the cat brooch there for Elf to find? After all, he knew she was coming, and he also knows about Maruman. Makes you wonder if it was intentional, and if so, why. He does seem to be obsessed with Elf (especially in her dreams :P), although I'd be inclined to think it's going to harm her in some way (because we all know he's sadistic!).
no it cant be ariel because IC said in an interview that it wasnt.
Dreamweaver Ward
15 years ago
Fri Mar 20 2009, 03:22pm
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Dreamscape Artist
We're not trying to suggest that Ariel is Salamander. :) There's just a popular theory/joke around the boards that the women's clothing belongs to Ariel! After all, he is a pretty boy! :P All I meant was that since it's Ariel's house, and he knew Elf was coming, he may have planted the brooch there.
I remember someone in this thread saying that they didn't believe that Jakoby's sister could be Salamander, because Elf heard the voice as a man.
In my opinion, being pre-disposed to the idea that Salamander was a man would have made Elf interpret any reasonably deep voice as being male. But I also though, that the voice of Jakoby's sister could have been affected by her deformaties, since it was said that it was her jaw that was deformed.
I think Jakoby's sister is most likely involved with Ariel, but I don't think she's Salamander. For I while I thought so, but then I thought back to my original theory of the gaurd guy in book 1. For some reason his character just irks at me. I think guard + guy who killed Dragon's mother + Salamander = same person. Probably totally wrong, but that's just what I think.
maybe the guard that recodnised dragon was connected to them as well? i like that theory though i'm not sure he would be salamander, maybe just working together.
You know how the sadorians talk about their pubnishment for murder, slavery etc. that involves taking the offender to the middle of the desert and making them wlak back to the templeport with their vision permanently impaired. Well didn't Daffyd or someone say that people had survived but none ever chose to remain in Sador.
Do you think its possible that Salamander is someone who has survived this ordeal, explaining why he would be able to slip through Sador undisguised (although someone may recognise him from before the punishment), and it might also explain why "He" has yellow eyes, possibly a side effect of the liquid used to disable long vision.
:D Black Dog that's actually quite plausible!!
If we consider Seresh as somebody who ran away once she discovered she was disfigured, she could have committed crimes in Sador that warranted such punishment. She already has yellow eyes because she's Sadorian. In any case, her husky voice could be attributed to her throat being affected and possibly the long solitude/harsh journey she had to make by crossing the desert. By the time she survived, she wouldn't have wanted to remain in Sador because of the painful memories.
I doubt she was ever reformed though in the sense that she still may have committed crimes. This is how she eventually dabbled in teh slave trade; and eventually became Salamander!
i like it but i still dont think that salamander is seresh. i think its someone else. like the man who betrayed the red queen
Dreamweaver Ward
15 years ago
Fri Apr 17 2009, 12:58am
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Dreamscape Artist
I like that idea, Black Dog. :) The only thing against Seresh having been stranded in the desert is that the shipmaster said that most people die, and those who do survive are completely insane, and have to be looked after by the templeguardians. I'm not sure that's something you could really come back from... :-/ I guess anything's possible though...
Oh, and I also like the idea that the Soldierguard captain is in some way connected to the slave trade (even if he's not Salamander). Especially given that Elf never got around to asking Daffyd about him - that makes me suspect that he was somehow important. Plus there was the way he looked at Dragon...
Rushton came back from madness (even though elf helped him)
Maybe the healers at the temple helped seresh? In any case she seems like a strong willed person, so she probably could bounce back.
I think the soldierguard may have been to Red Queens Land, working for Salamander on his/her payroll; rather than being someone very important like the person who betrayed the RQ, or even salamnder himself. I think we're certain now that he isn't salamander :P Can you just imagine Salamander running around as a soldierguard? XD
Dreamweaver Ward
15 years ago
Fri Apr 17 2009, 11:30am
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Dreamscape Artist
True, and if Salamander really does have chocca-toned skin and yellow eyes (which he or she certainly seems to), then there's no way it was the soldierguard. Of course, thinking of Salamander's appearance, it depends on if there's more than one person who is Salamander. But either way, I don't think the soldierguard is Salamander. I think he may just have been involved at some stage when Dragon was brought to the Land.
And that's a good point about Rushton recovering, and about the templeguardians... And if Seresh was punished by being sent into the desert, I agree she is strong-minded, so although it may take an awfully long time, I think she'd have the strength of will to recover. Plus she really does seem like the type to hold a grudge, so it would make sense if she hadn't gotten over it!
Mystic Ward
15 years ago
Mystic Ward
Twentyfamilies Gypsy
Why wouldn't Salamader disguise him/herself as an ordinary person like a soilderguard? I think that it was mentioned in Ashling, maybe, that that could be the case. That it would be one way of keeping an eye on things without giving up the identity.
I really do't think that Seresh is Salamander, it's just not right, even if she held a grudge against the Sadorians why would she start a slave trade sellings slaves from the land, why would she start a slave trade at all?
Man, my other theory about the sadorian desert punishment doesn't make sense if this is true.
But think about it, If Seresh or any Sadorian was Salamander, why would they begin a slave trade, even if they had a grudge against their own people why would they not trade off Sadorians, whom they hate, instead of going off making their living selling prisoners from the land?
Well, I suppose there are many reasons that people do the things they do, and not all of them are completely logical. :P Seresh could have escaped and stumbled into the role of Salamander.
I just think that if Seresh isn't Salamander, why mention her at all? It was a bit random, really, Jakoby suddenly deciding to tell Elspeth all about her sister. I don't think Isobelle would have introduced Seresh unless she was going to be important to the plot. And Seresh just fits the description of Salamander so well that it's kind of hard to argue against. :P
15 years ago
Sun Apr 19 2009, 01:46pm
I still have a feeling that Salamander is from Gadfia, and Seresh is the woman that tends to him. And has possibly seen his face.
Maybe all those clothes at Ariel's bunker belonged to Seresh, because she was a guest at his home - she likes pretty things; she likes to surround herself with pretty looking people like Ariel; and her staying at Norseland was just an agreement or exchange/ or security to keep an eye on Ariel and for Ariel to make sure Salamander never got out of line with him. So she's a pawn...
Somehow Seresh (who may have wandered off to Gadfia somehow - probably slipped on one of their ships or was captured by Gadfian men when she ran away); fell in love with Salamander or Ariel or both...anyway; I think it's possible she is the woman who works for Salamander, rather than being Salamander herself.
And Ariel, knowing her insecurities probably tells her she looks beautiful - so she likes him..so that he can use her or Salamander for his own purposes; like getting rich and going to the RQ land via the gadfian ships
15 years ago
Sat Apr 25 2009, 08:58pm
Wait, wasn't the reason Seresh was mentioned that Jakoby was explaining her opposition to the Sadorian women bathing themselves in the tainted pools? Not because she was introduced to become Salamander in TS. Doesn't that put a stopper in the theory that the only reason that Seresh was mentioned was so that she could become an important character, it's all just subplot. A lot of people here seem to think that Seresh has been introduced for the purpose of being revealed as Salamander. Well, she wasn't, she wasn't introduced to explain something that happened and that was it.
Mystic Ward
15 years ago
Mystic Ward
Twentyfamilies Gypsy
While that is possible Blackdog it would be more likely that Seresh has been brought into the plot to play an important role.
when you have something to add to a post, please use the edit button on the top right side of your post rather than double posting.
What if the new talent then belongs to Salamander/Seresh and has to do with physical transformation?