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Min
Fri Nov 21 2008, 07:17PM

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As requested, the current Bookcase/Library of Obernet (where you submit Authors, books and reviews) has been expanded (/redesigned) to allow the additional submitting of Music, TV Shows, Films, Games, and Recipes.

The area is (for the moment) called the Bookshelf; however I believe final naming of the section will be voted upon in the Library message board over the coming weeks.

To access the new section, click the Bookshelf link on the left menu, or, click here.

How to Submit Content to the Bookshelf

  • Step 1: Browse the current entries.
    If the book/tv show/film/game/artist/recipe already exists in the list, do not re-add them.
    Rather, click on the existing entry, and add your own review by posting a Comment.
  • Step 2: If you are sure the entry doesn't exist in the category you want to post in, click the icon.
  • Step 3: Submit the Title, Details and Notes (details below).


Title
  • For books, the Title should be "Book Title" by "Author Surname, Author Firstname: Book Title", eg. Carmody, Isobelle: The Farseekers.
  • For Music, the Title should be "Artist name", eg. Silverchair.
  • For TV Shows, the Title should be "Show name", eg. Top Gear.
  • For Movies, the Title should be "movie title", eg. Serenity.
  • For Games, the Title should be the "game name", eg. Wii Fit
  • For Recipes, the Title should be the "recipe name", eg. Pumpkin Soup


For bands, movies, tv shows and games starting with "The", try to remember to trail the "The". That is, if your entry to the music section was going to be "The Kaiser Chiefs", the Title would be "Kaiser Chiefs, The". It is just a more effective filing method

Description
This is - obviously - for information to describe your submission. Don't just copy blurbs from books or the back of DVDs; describe the entry in your own words. Anything that looks like it's been copied and pasted from Wikipedia won't be approved.
For recipes, a list of Ingredients, and then a Method is what you should submit.
Description is usually where you would put images, as well. To prevent stretching and not hinder people's download limits/speeds, we need to impose a maximum image size restriction; 300 pixels by 300 pixels. As always, if you have trouble resizing your image, please consult Image Help.
IMPORTANT! DO NOT HOTLINK YOUR IMAGE. That is, do not copy the link of the location that the image exists on someone elses website. ALWAYS save the image, reload it into an image host such as photobucket, and link from there. Hotlinked images often fail when linked to, so you may as well not even bother.

Notes:
This is for extra information or anecdotes about the entry.
  • For Books, it may be information such as "Terry Pratchett based the city of Ankh Morpork on London" (but, not that boring ).
  • For Music, it may be information such as albums, interesting songs, etc.
  • For TV Shows and Movies, it may be a list of characters and the actors that play them, or interesting information about the writers or directors.
  • For Games, it may be how many million copies it sold, who characters were based on, which design company won which awards for work on it, etc.
  • For Recipes, it may be any hints or extra notes you'd like to add as a general rule for the recipe (such as 'I found organic spinach worked much better', or even suggestions on other meals or drinks to accompany it.


Formatting Articles
All the standard UBBC icons are available; format as though you're formatting a post on the message boards (this includes the posting of images).
For a guide on how to use UBBC, click here.

Submitting
Submissions will ALL be screened before being added to the Bookshelf. This is to ensure:
a) That entries aren't duplicated (accidents happen), or contain bad language/spelling/grammar, and,
b) That entries receive the points they're entitled to. It's much easier for the mods to keep track of if they have to manually approve entries and add them to the Pointage Tally.

Pointage
Points will be awarded in a similar way to the old Bookcase with a key change:
5 points per article submitted, for a maximum 5 entries in any one category in any pointage year.
There will be no more points awarded for reviews.
This is because submitting a review of a subject should be because a user wants to, not because they'll get points for doing so.

To submit a review
Post a comment under the article you want to review.
Make it as long/short as you want, but for the love of Lud, make it meaningful!
That is, no posting comments/reviews along the line of
OMGZ!1! I LUVS that story!! :roll: :roll::roll::roll:

Reviews of this nature will be deleted. The comment reviews are intended for information that may help a potential reader or viewer to decide whether they'd like the show/book, etc. Reviews of the above nature don't achieve that. Feel free to post your opinions, but put some depth behind them and make them coherent.

What about the old Library/Bookcase submissions?
They've been added to the Books section. The formatting is a little different, but we endeavor to update this over time.

Hope you enjoy the new system. It's designed similarly to the Theories Archives, and the Encyclopedia, so if you've used those areas of the site before you'll be familiar with the workflow. It also gives us much more room for expansion - the old system didn't allow categories of any kind - this one does. If we want more categories, you can request them below as well.
Any questions? Fire away.
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Sat Nov 22 2008, 03:31AM
cateyes
Guild: Dreamweavers
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On the old system, the Description section (or how I interpretted it) was for the Blurb, and then the main content (what people wanted to read) was the review. Are you saying we should ditch the blurb altogether, and when you submit the book you should only describe what it's about, or is it like the old review where you say that you liked it and why etc? Or are you meant to do both?

Eg:

Serenity - Serenity carries on from the TV show Firefly etc

OR

Serenity - I totally love this movie, the fight scenes are great etc

OR

Serenity - Serenity carries on from the TV show Firefly. I totally love this movie, the fight scenes are great etc


Also, a completely different question, for a series that doesn't have the series name in the title, should we put it in so that they get grouped together? Especially for Movies (as books are under the same author). So, should I go James Bond: Casino Royale or just Casno Royale? That way all the James Bond movies will group together, rather than Casino Royale being under C and Quantum of Solace being under Q.

Cheers
Cat
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Min
Sat Nov 22 2008, 06:27AM

Guild: Mystics
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Posts: 15406
Location: Brisvegas
For books: more the third option. We don't want to just copy blurbs from books/wikipedia. Make the description factual, but more personalised - if you were asked to describe it to a friend in your own words.

It'd be good if series could be grouped together. In the James Bond example, I'd definitely put the "James Bond:" at the beginning of it because it not only groups them, but helps identify them at first glance.
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Sat Nov 22 2008, 06:29PM
cateyes
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Thanks for the clarification Min
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Sun Nov 23 2008, 06:53PM
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um what do we put in the music description????(i'm not sure )

EDIT: thanks a lot Cat!!!!!!!!!!that explains a lot :roll: ;P
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Sun Nov 23 2008, 07:57PM
cateyes
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I'd say you definitely need to include the kind of music they make (so, are they a rock band or a country and western singer or whatever) and why you think other people should listen to it. Other things that might be good could be if they've had any number 1s or really famous songs, some other bands you think are similar, maybe if you think their old / new music is different / better / worse, what is your favourite album or song of theirs, if they've ever changed band members, if they're famous for something else (eg Kylie on Neighbours) etc.

I think a list of albums would be good for the notes section, and maybe a list of their best known songs as well as any anecdotes.

Some other stuff I'd be interested to know might be have they played for the Queen or at the Olympics or been in some sort of scandal etc. Don't spend years looking for this kind of stuff though! The more important stuff is what kind of music they play and why you like it.

Cheers
Cat
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Min
Mon Nov 24 2008, 02:19AM

Guild: Mystics
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Thanks Cat, that's exactly right.

To clarify: Description for any of the categories is what you personally think of it. Think of how you would describe their music to a friend, if you wanted to recommend they go out and buy their album, bookworm.
Notes section is for trivia, discography, etc.

Just wanted to post that I've updated the "How to earn points for your guild" to show the pointage now earn-able for your submissions.
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Min
Mon Nov 24 2008, 04:41PM

Guild: Mystics
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*grugs the *

Just want to highlight, the pointage's been updated again, after we realised how many potential points were up for grabs:

"Submit an article (be it book, tv show, movie, game or artist)
points: 5
maximum of 5 submissions per category

That is to say, you can submit as many as you like, but you will only receive points for the first 5 books you submit and the first 5 tv shows you submit and the first 5 movies you submit...etc.
Minimum 200 words, with a suggested maximum of 500 - thats 200 words of quality and not rubbish - to the discretion of the Bookshelf Moderators."

We also need to impose an image size restriction for any images linked to in your article; maximum of 300 px by 300 px at the moment. Any images bigger than this will have to have the img tags removed so they don't stretch the page. I'm adding this info to the top of the page.
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Tue Nov 25 2008, 06:05AM
Guild: Wanderers
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Location: The Bookshelf
For your information (in case anyone didn't see the post in the Library), the pointage page has been updated with the end points for the Bookcase and the current points for the Bookshelf
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Min
Wed Nov 26 2008, 02:45AM

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Update: A cagetory called Recipes has been added. Details on how/what to submit have been added to the first post
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Tue Dec 02 2008, 12:24AM
Guild: Dreamweavers
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Posts: 249
Location: Somewhere dreaming of something
I'm having trouble submitting to the Books section - i filled in details for the title, details and notes but it doesn't seem to be showing up?? If anyone knows what's wrong, i've missed something or i need to fill something in differently please tell me ???
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Tue Dec 02 2008, 12:29AM
Guild: Ashlings
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It's probably been submitted, just give Lioness/Mods a chance to actually put it up i guess?

How long ago did you submit it?
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Tue Dec 02 2008, 01:07AM
cateyes
Guild: Dreamweavers
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hi Evana

It's a manual process getting the entries to show up, Lioness (and possibly others now, I'm not sure) reads through all the entires to make sure they adhere to the guidelines, are in the right section, contain appropriate material etc. Once she's done that, it'll appear in the list.

Lioness is often fantastic and very quick at doing this, but like all of us she gets busy. If it hasn't gone up after, say, two weeks you could PM her to see if it went through properly and she's just been busy, or if there was a problem and it didn't work.

Well done for submitting stuff!

Cheers
Cat
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Tue Dec 02 2008, 01:32AM

Dreamweaver Ward
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Hopefully Cat and Schis are right, and it's just waiting to be checked.

I got the impression that another reason it wouldn't come up would be if the book you're writing up is already in the Bookshelf, because they don't have multiple entries for books - if a book already exists, you can write a review as a comment, but not make a new entry for the book.

And I agree with Cat - well done for submitting to the Bookshelf! I hope you can get it sorted out soon!
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Tue Dec 02 2008, 03:10AM
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Oh that's good, thanks for all the advice . . . and uh, i got got quite worried so i tried submitting it again . . . . . . yeah, so, i hope Lioness doesn't have too much trouble with the multiple entries . . . x_X
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Tue Dec 02 2008, 04:49AM
Guild: Wanderers
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Posts: 24966
Location: The Bookshelf
Hello Evana,

At the moment, I'm the only one checking the submissions to the bookshelf. It's not that demanding lol, and most of the time i approve things quickly but as Cat-Eyes said, real life gets in the way.

Multiple entries are fine, just tell me which one you want submitted (as theyre all slighly different) and I'll simply delete the others

Sorry to worry you with the wait.
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Min
Fri Dec 05 2008, 08:17PM

Guild: Mystics
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Posts: 15406
Location: Brisvegas
Hi everyone! The Author list from the old Bookcase has been added to the Bookshelf (quite a few of the entries don't have any info against them, though - I think they were added so books could be added from those authors in the old system). If you see an author that has a 'blank' entry, then feel free to PM some information for that entry and we can update it.
There'll be no points awarded for updating an author, as info the info generally will be copied/pasted info from a website and not the submitter's own work (unless you personally know the author you're updating and can write the info yourself - by all means, go for it!).
Since the Authors were the last thing to come across, I've removed the Bookcase link from the left menu, also.
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Sat Dec 27 2008, 08:13PM
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From Lioness (just so it is somewhere ):

Here's a low down of points:

authors: you get two points per author, for a maximum of 10 points (therefore you only get points for the first 5 authors you submit but you're welcome to submit more )

books: you get two points per book, for a maximum of 20 points (meaning only get points for the first 10 books you submit, again, you can definitely submit more - i have recently introduced a bonus five points when you hit a submission of 100 books

reviews: you get 5 points per review - subject to my discretion and whether or not it fits the minimum requirements - and there's no limit yes, you can submit a review to a book that is already in the Bookcase, whether or not you submitted the book in the first place. Yes, you can submit a review to a book that already has a review, both reviewers will be listed (there are a few such cases already )

Does that answer all the questions? You're welcome to ask more
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Tue Dec 30 2008, 05:22AM
cateyes
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That's the old system though, isn't it? It's been replaced when we updated to have more sections (movies, recipes, TV shows etc as well as Books) to instead be:

Maximum of 5 submissions per category
That is to say, you can submit as many as you like, but you will only receive points for the first 5 books you submit and the first 5 tv shows you submit and the first 5 movies you submit...etc.
Minimum 200 words, with a suggested maximum of 500 - thats 200 words of quality and not rubbish - to the discretion of the Bookshelf Moderators.


Cheers
Cat
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Tue Apr 21 2009, 04:39AM
Guild: Dreamweavers
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Location: Adelaide
Oops- Erm, I just realised that I submitted information on the band rather than my opinion. Is it possible for me to edit it so I have an opinion as well without losing all the info I found?
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Tue Apr 21 2009, 06:02AM
Guild: Wanderers
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Posts: 24966
Location: The Bookshelf
Your submission has been accepted so now go into it through the bookshelf here and click on the edit button in the top left hand corner

Information with opinion is the most desirable
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Tue Jan 19 2010, 08:29PM

Ashlings' guildleader
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With entries for the recipe section, does it need to be our own recipe? Or is it ok to submit something we found in a book and have modified/have extensive notes on?
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Tue Jan 19 2010, 09:51PM
Guild: Ashlings
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Don't quote me on this but I think that it would the second.

Or at the very least, a recipie that you can comment and recommend, as opposed to finding any old recipie off the net and doing a points grab.

As Lioness said in the above post - info with a comment is great because it can help to convince us why we should be cooking it
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Wed Jan 20 2010, 05:21AM
Guild: Wanderers
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Posts: 24966
Location: The Bookshelf
Yep, MK has it right there

The main thing I think is submitting a recipe you yourself have tried - in the notes you can type problems, suggestions, things you might do differently. Cooking is always an experiment and sharing the highs and lows of those experiments is enjoyable for all.

Hope to see some more submissions coming
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Wed Mar 24 2010, 04:12AM
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Cool.. I didn't know you can submit articles. Do you get points for your guild?
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